Building the Future of HTM Training | Matt Bassuk, NVRT Labs
Nov 21, 2024
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
VR training, AI integration, XR development, technician tools, skills gap, remote training, Meta Project Orion, AR glasses, multiplayer experiences, custom development, workflow applications, independent learning, mixed reality, biomedical procedures, technology adoption
SPEAKERS
Matt Bassuk, Chyrill Sandrini
Chyrill Sandrini 00:12
Welcome back to HTM Insider. I’m Chyrill with MultiMedical Systems, and we provide you this podcast and with just joy in our hearts that we’re bringing new information, exciting topics, to the HTM industry. And today, I promise you, it’s exciting and it’s intriguing to me. It’s fascinating. And I would love to introduce you to my friend Matt from Invert Labs. I mean, we’re talking VR, AI, a new way of learning. I don’t know if you got a chance to check it out before, but I’m promising you that this is going to be something that you’re going to want to see at the next conference. So with no further ado, I’d like to introduce you to Matt. And Matt, can you introduce yourself to the audience?
Matt Bassuk 01:00
Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me on shariel. So I’m Matt Bassuk. I’m the CEO and founder of Invert Labs. Invert Labs is an XR development company. XR/AI software development company. We’re based out of San Antonio, Texas, and our primary focus is on providing training and real time tools for technicians in HTM. And so we actually started in 2022 we’re still a new company. We came out of the College of Biomedical Equipment Technology. So I was formerly the learning the Director of Learning Technologies for them around 2022 it was the idea was, hey, how do we get a little bit more hands on training into an online training program? And so they said, Matt, you’re the technical guy. Go figure out how to do virtual reality. And so, so here we are, a couple years later, and and that’s exactly what we’re doing, is we’re applying virtual reality, extended realities, to technicians in both training and on the doing side of things.
Chyrill Sandrini 02:02
Yeah, so I’ll tell you my quick funny story. You know, my son-in-laws, they have the VRS and games, and I’m not very good. There’s this one, you had to walk a plank, and then you’re supposed to just jump off the plank. I could not make myself jump off it, even though I knew I was standing on the ground, that’s how real it felt. So I know I’ve seen some of your demos, and I see how real they look, and I watch people actually picking things up. So I really want to know more about it and how people can find more information about your company and how they can use you as a resource. But let’s talk about what’s new. What’s new and exciting right now in AI and VR?
Matt Bassuk 02:43
Yeah, I think, I think, really, we’re at a an interesting point in in the landscape of XR adoption, in some of the new hardware that’s coming out. And so we’re really excited to to start, you know, adding more things to our portfolio and to our content offerings, including mixed reality experiences, multiplayer experiences. So up until this point, what we’ve had is a independent learning platform where you kind of, you put on the headset, you go through a specific module, whether it be a pm procedure on a defibrillator or on an IV pump. You’re learning how to do certain technical procedures. What we’re able to do now with some of the hardware that’s coming out and some of the new, the new APIs that are being released from a development standpoint, is, is, we’re, we’re now able to have multiple people in the same experience. They could be co located in the same room. That could be, you know, I could be in Texas, you could be in in New York City, and we could both be looking and working on the same device. And so really cool stuff coming out from that end. And then, you know, the future is looking pretty, pretty exciting as well, with some of the the new technologies. So I don’t know if you saw, but just last month, Meta announced their new Project Orion. They’re, they’re actually AR glasses, so fully transparent glasses. Yeah, that’s going to change the game. I think a lot of people are saying, you know, Meta just had their iPhone moment. And I, you know, there’s still, there’s still some skeptics out there, but I really think that that’s going to bring this technology to the mainstream, and it’s going to become more ubiquitous and in wherever it’s useful, I think you’re seeing it a lot more.
Chyrill Sandrini 04:28
So, okay, I’m not a biomed I don’t play one on TV, but I support the industry. Tell me what XR is and tell me what API is, so the audience and myself can understand,
Matt Bassuk 04:40
Yes, so, so XR, when I say XR, I mean extended realities, and it’s sort of a catch all. It’s just like a catch all phrase for anything that’s virtual reality or augmented reality or mixed reality and augmented in mixed reality, those two things are kind of conflating now, anyways, from the terminology standpoint. But. XR, just being the catch all, like anything that you’re using AR, VR, mixed reality, all of it. API, just being an interface for interoperability between two different platforms. And so I say API specifically. What I was referring to there was like Meta is opening up their pass through API on their headsets, which means now, as a developing a development community, we have the ability to overlay onto the real world using using that development API to gain access to the camera on the devices. So look for things like remote technician assistance applications, which is something that we’re working on. One technician could have a headset on another technician could be, you know, on Microsoft Teams or on Google meet and walking through a procedure remotely, hands free. And so, so there’s really cool stuff that allows us to do,
Chyrill Sandrini 05:59
Wow. That just gives me a whole… My head’s spinning about right to repair, right?
Matt Bassuk 06:05
Yeah, yeah. I mean it, it applies here as well. And I think you know that that’s honestly, that’s the reason why we exist, is because there’s, there’s a need in the industry, right? So there’s so many skills that are leaving the industry. There’s so many, so many older technicians that are they’re retiring. Every time I go out and I do a speaking engagement or I’m doing demos at one of the events, I like to ask the audience, okay, how many of you are ready to retire in the next five years? And honestly, a lot of them are. It’s, it’s half the room raises their hand so you know, what are we gonna do about that?
Chyrill Sandrini 06:42
Exactly the attrition rate, and just to replace that talent, you cannot replace that talent and that skill level of 20, 30, 40, years with someone who just came out of school. It’s it’s difficult, right there.
Matt Bassuk 06:56
There’s a skills gap, and so we have to do better about not just replacing that FTE, but replacing the skills that are leaving as well. And so that’s, you know, we feel like we’re one tool in the toolbox to be able to do that, but, but we have to be able to build things from a training standpoint, that are scalable, they’re remote, that they, you know, have an opportunity to get to a lot of people quickly, because that’s, that’s what we need right now, for every four technicians that’s leaving the industry, we’re only replacing them with three and and our industry is still growing, so we we’ve got a big task in front of us to go fill the skills gap.
Chyrill Sandrini 07:33
And I mean, technology is changing quickly
Matt Bassuk 07:39
and hopefully to our advantage, right, hopefully, right. Yeah, that the new advancements in technology allows us to go after those skills gaps and allows us to to be creative about the way that we apply technology to get better, faster and more reach for technicians.
Chyrill Sandrini 07:56
So let me ask you this, so how it is the technology being received in the industry, specifically in the hospital, with the system managers, managers at the facilities, the direct impact that you’re having, and are they saying, I like it. I’m scared of it. I don’t think it’s real. What’s your feedback on that?
Matt Bassuk 08:19
Well, so I do think that we’re still in the infancy of adoption. And I think if you look at the bell curve of adoption for any new technology, it goes through the same cycles. You’ve got your early adopters, you’ve got your your mid, mid early adopters, then you got your late adopters, then you got your, you know, really late adopters, right? And And honestly, that typically over is, is very mirrored by generation like, like, your generational assignment, so, you know, your younger millennial, Gen Z, like, they’re going to be quicker to adopt newer technology. Some of the older, you know, Boomers, Gen X, they might be a little bit behind that, and rightfully so.
Chyrill Sandrini 09:03
I mean, well, yeah, I’m one of those. I might try to adapt and adopt everything that comes my way, but it just happens so fast you get to think, Okay, I’m almost 57 but you know, I remember the first microwave. I remember the first handheld blow dryer, right, right? And I remember getting my first cell phone and carrying around with the bag a handle. We still have it so we can show our grandkids someday, but we carry, I mean, that big old you think about how technology has evolved in just my lifetime. Is crazy, right? It happens so fast,
Matt Bassuk 09:42
so fast, and you don’t look 57 by the way.
Chyrill Sandrini 09:45
Oh, thanks. That’s a point point for Matt.
Matt Bassuk 09:51
Well, I think, I think you know, to that point with with the how fast it’s evolving, and you know where we’re at in adoption. I think. You know, you kind of have to go back and look at what really drives adoption. And you talked about microwave, you talked about a handheld blow dryer. Like the main thing that drives adoption for any technology is going to be utility. It has to be useful and and so that’s, that’s really what we like to focus on, is, how do we make this technology, something that doesn’t sit on a shelf that’s not just, you know, a gimmick or a cool, fancy, you know, toy, but but rather something that’s going to actually move the needle on doing the job and making it effective. And so to that point, I mean, yeah, you look at like the iPhone back in 2007 when it first came out, there was a lot of, you know, skeptics about it doesn’t have a keyboard. It’s, you know, how are we going to send my emails if it doesn’t? There’s a famous video of Steve Ballmer from Microsoft, who was kind of laughing at the whole thing, and he’s like, Yeah, this, this is a joke. It’s way too expensive, and it doesn’t have a keyboard. But what ended up happening was they found utility because they crowdsource utility with the App Store, and so now anything you can dream of, somebody can develop it, and you can do it on the iPhone overnight. This, this new technology just took hold, and we feel like as long as we can go after the right kind of utility for content with XR, the same thing will happen for technicians, and that’s really what we’re laser focused on. But if we can make it so that you can put on a headset and walk up to a device and and be walked through how to do the pm procedure on it, well, now you’re really moving the needle on this being a useful adoption follows adoption. It comes right after that, and it won’t be long before it’s just like, yeah, you can go to training, you know, out in Waukesha, Wisconsin, if you want to, or you could just put on the headset, right? So, and I’m, you know, being hyperbolic a little bit, but, but it,
Chyrill Sandrini 11:51
But in showing the value that is just as valuable, I think we learned something during COVID, because a lot of biomed schools see bet being one of them was offering it virtually, and we still needed to train biomeds During COVID, but we couldn’t have them in person. And that was a successful opportunity that we went through, because I know my daughter went through it. She was one of those students, you know what I mean. So I saw it, and I saw the training, and I would hear it and see what she was learning, and I was so impressed by it. But through COVID, we learned how to get away from being all in one spot, and that we can learn virtually just as quickly. So I think AR VR, XR can be the same tool.
Matt Bassuk 12:34
1,000,000% agree with that. In what I say is look at what we learned with COVID. Before COVID, we knew what zoom was like. We had we had Google meet, we had zoom. We did that. You know, periodically. During COVID, it really pressed us to adopt it, but, but now it’s like, even if you work at the same facility, but you’re just, you know, on two different floors, you really have to justify to me why we need to, you know, I need to get in the elevator and we need to be in the same room in order to meet. We just do everything on on Zoom now, because it’s practical, it’s cheaper, it’s faster, the same paradigm shift is happening with training. And so we’re getting to a point now where anything that you can do remotely, anything that you can do online, you you need to and, you know, budget constraints, and we will be forced to be doing training more remotely. So how do we make it effective? How do we make it, you know, so that you’re not leaving too much on table? And really save those in person. I don’t think in person go away, but really save those in person experiences for laser focused, you know, hands on, type of experiences where you know you’re you’re doing things that you can’t actually do in VR AR, which I think even that is starting to become a smaller amount of things.
Chyrill Sandrini 13:51
It is. I think that the one thing you’ll never take out of it, though, is the the human contact, the eye to eye, the shaking the hand, right? I think we just ingrainedly need that in our lives. Like, that’s something like we go to the conferences you see it, you know, there’s, there’s always hugs and smiles and handshakes and high fives, and it’s just different in person. Sometimes, you know,
Matt Bassuk 14:13
I, I absolutely agree with that, and that’s actually one of the reasons why I really like, you know, the outlook of some of the new hardware and stuff that’s coming out is because it, it focuses more on that human connection, where, you know, it can be and and I think that you’re absolutely right. We’re never going to not we’re social creatures, right? We’re, you know, we work together. And so I think that that’ll, that’ll never go away. But, you know, wherever we can, we can apply technology to make things faster and better and easier. That’s that’s on the table. That’s what we’re going to go try to do.
Chyrill Sandrini 14:47
I love it, so I’m not an expert at all in AI, but it is like the elephant in the room, and it’s crazy how it’s being applied. And every day it seems like there’s something. Good and bad with AI, right? Whether it be images or medical technologies, and how we’re able to forecast, you know, because of these 1000s of patients who had this experience, we can predict this income, this outcome, right? So, how is AI play into what you guys are doing? Is there any crossover,
Matt Bassuk 15:22
Absolutely, and as a matter of fact, I think AI is going to touch almost every aspect of our lives, professionally, you know, personally, socially, like there’s so many things that AI will be a part of, just inherently. And I think that you know, specifically with applications that we’re looking at, we want to take AI, what it’s really good at, and apply it to to the medical space device. So things that it’s very good at is are, like, you know, outlining procedures, or, if you use chat, GPT or generative AI, you know, it’s very good at, like, filling out work orders or those kinds of things. So we’re building some tools that are hopefully going to help technicians simple things like, instead of having to type in a serial number on on a tag, you can just take a photo and AI can automatically read it. So those kind of applications, I feel like that’s going to become more commonplace, and so we’re building some tools for that. Eventually, I think the technicians will have, you know, Jarvis, and in, you know, on on deck, whether it’s your smartphone or AR glasses, or whatever it is, you just be able to say, hey, Jarvis helped me with the this Pm procedure, or write down this, this flow rate, so that, you know, I, I can put it in my documentation. And I definitely see a world where that becomes commonplace, and that’s, that’s kind of the stuff we’re working on, too.
Chyrill Sandrini 16:52
That’s, that’s really cool, and it’s simplifying it, right? I mean, if you think about a worksheet right for a pm that you have to go off an OEM checklist. Sometimes they’re hard to find, sometimes they’re hard to get, especially if you have a device that comes in that you don’t you don’t normally have in your facility, and you need to do repair like, how do you find that information? And time is of the essence in some cases. But yeah, I think that would be a way to simplify and have everybody on the same page doing the same thing.
Matt Bassuk 17:26
Yeah, anytime I talk to you somebody about AI usually get two questions, and like, the first one is, is it going to kill us, right? And I don’t think so, not yet. Anyways, we’re so far away from from AGI, which is artificial general intelligence, which is basically AI, being as smart as a human, or being able to reason across, you know, multiple different things, so that it can be the equivalent of human intelligence. And then there’s super intelligence, which is, that’s the Terminator, and that’s when things get really weird. We’re so far away from that I’m actually more in the camp that I don’t think that we’ll actually achieve real AGI but, but either way, I don’t I’m not afraid of it. I don’t think that it’s bad. I think that it can be useful. The other question we get all the time is like, Oh, is it going to take my job? And the answer to that is not anytime soon. I mean, if, if use it right, and use it for what it’s actually good at, then you’ll you’ll get faster and better at your job. It won’t replace you, it’ll make you sharper, it’ll make you quicker, it’ll make you more effective. And we need that because, again, going back to the skills gap, going back to the labor shortage, we need our technicians to be better and faster and more effective at their jobs, because there’s fewer of them. So I definitely see it as is an opportunity to lean into technology. Use it where it’s good, don’t, you know, don’t, don’t avoid it. I think that if your organization is looking at it, then you’re staying at the curve. If you’re not looking at it, you might want to, yeah.
Chyrill Sandrini 19:12
And then, as you see again, if we got the generation gap and the skills gap, the younger generation is more apt to look into this. Use GPT be involved in AI in some way. And then somebody that’s much older might not be. So if you are that younger person in the shop and you find an exciting new idea, how do you bring it to your facility like this is going to be a good idea. This could be great for us. I mean, newbie meds are often intimidated to bring up new ideas.
Matt Bassuk 19:46
I think, I think honestly, and I always tell people that number one from a workflow standpoint, like, yeah, you’ve got your certain procedures. You have to do a certain way, but you have to, you have to come up with your way of doing workflows. And if you find a tool. That is helpful, that’s making you faster. Again, going right back to utility, that’s the driver of adoption. If you want the rest of your shop to look at something, well, just show them how much faster it’s made you. And in some you know how much time you’re saving by doing certain things or using whatever new technology tools, and not just AI. And there’s so many different platforms out there, if it’s got utility, bring it up, because I think that that’s the driver, and I think that that’s a very easy business case to have. And, you know, a lot of people are very scared about AI with data and all that. But what I’ll say is, you know, the gpts and all the different models that are out there, llama three, and Jarvis and cloud, they’re all trained off of all the public data that’s out there. 95% of data is still private. And so I think, you know, there’ll be an opportunity to keep things kind of air gapped and isolated to your facility, but still get all the benefits of using one of these llms to speed you up.
Chyrill Sandrini 21:02
Do you believe that they should actually, you know, I think that AI trust but verify that it is the same, whatever they’re looking up to make sure that it is following their adopted guidelines, you
Matt Bassuk 21:16
have to. You have to. I mean, it’s not going to be perfect, just the same way you would with any new technician or young technician is somebody, somebody who’s got the experience is going to have to double check their work. You have to do that with any kind of AI tools as well. You can’t just take it at face value. But actually, that’s funny. We had my my partner, Aaron, he’s a CTO of the company, who’s doing a session at the Amy exchange in Phoenix over the summer, and somebody raised their hand and was like, Well, how do we know that, you know AI is going to order the right parts? Like, what happens if they order the wrong parts? And then you know that it comes in and it was wrong. And somebody else in the audience was like, Oh, we do that all the time. Anyways, that’s not a big deal. It just has to be better than than what we’re already doing. Yeah,
Chyrill Sandrini 22:06
that’s true. And you know myself, when I use AI or a chat feature, sometimes it’s not right, and I have to read it, and sometimes it’s a lot better, right? And sometimes I read it, I’m like, That is not the way I would have said it, right? And I want the audience, whoever I’m talking to, to still feel like they’re communicating with shirelle. So I’ll go back and change things. But it is, it is pretty cool to even use just that simple feature to communicate with others. On a very easy level, it’s if you want to tip toe into it, just try one of those features and see what it does for you. Yeah,
Matt Bassuk 22:46
Absolutely. And I’m a big advocate. Of course, I am a techie. I’m in the early adopter camp on almost all the new technologies, but, but I definitely think that you know where, where it’s useful, that’s where you lean in. Utility is going to be the driver, no matter what the technology is.
Chyrill Sandrini 23:04
So how do they get a hold of you, and what services do you offer? Are you open for questions? Give us all the details about your company and how you could benefit anyone out there, any facility out there.
Matt Bassuk 23:19
Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. So if you want to find us, we’re at nvrt labs.com that you know, we call it invert labs, but it’s spelled nvrt labs, and in our website, you’ll see a handful of things that we’re offering. We’re going to end up doing our website rebuild here soon, but, but our primary product offering right now is the training platform, which is a subscription based access to our content library. We have about 20 different biomed procedures, everything from general biomed all the way up to some Imaging, imaging content, but designed for new technicians to get a hands on experience with devices that they may or may not otherwise see in their shop, just to give them their footing, give them their their muscle memory, do some repetitions, get them into the roles, and then upscaling. And then we’re actively adding more and more content to that content library over time, which is very exciting. Like I said, our confidence starting to evolve. It’s more multiplayer, it’s more mixed reality. It’s not just only full immersion, independent training, but there’ll be some new stuff coming as well. But that’s that’s our primary product offering right now. It’s a, it’s a we send you out a meta quest headset. It’s got pre configured turnkey. You don’t have to set up anything, but you get the access to the platform. It’s point and click your training, and it’s for any any health systems. ISOs. We’ve got a lot of educational institutions that are our clients, and then even OEMs. Outside of that, we also do custom XR development, and now we. We’re leaning all the way in using some of our AI tools for creating workflow applications as sort of AI powered integrations. If you’ve got one system that doesn’t talk to the other system, we can build a little workflow to make them talk.
Chyrill Sandrini 25:15
Wow. So I gotta ask, How do you do these videos? How does where’s it come from? Like, who does it every time I see you, and I see people picking stuff up, I’m going to try it next time at the next conference, I’m going to walk over there and do whatever you’re doing. But where does that come from?
Matt Bassuk 25:33
Yeah, so you have a, really, how does it get done? We have a, we have a great team. I’m, I’m not the developer by any means, I’m just kind of, you know, watching them be as talented as they are, but our dev team is really lights out, so they we do everything from the modeling from the ground up. So if you’ve got a piece of equipment that we want to put into virtual then we have to take photogrammetry scans of it. We have to make sure that we’re getting all the sub components and then rebuilding that in into 3d models, and then we take those 3d models and we put them into unity. And I’ve got another team that does all the Unity development, which is game engine, but we’re using it for training applications. And basically they’re applying things like real world physics, certain you know, scripts that that make it interactable. So, like, if you have a screwdriver, you can actually rotate your wrist and that’ll unscrew the screw, those kind of things. But yeah, that’s, that’s all comes from the dev team. They’re outstanding. We we rely on them. They’re they’re incredibly talented.
Chyrill Sandrini 26:41
It’s just amazing to me. I know there’s a lot of gamers out there, so I know you’ve been doing this a long time, but I know I came from the first Atari that Pong was a big deal. So this is really interesting to somebody of my generation. Um, that being said, if, okay, a lot of the training is the biomass. Have to go to a certified OEM training to be certified in that device. Could that be something in the future that you’re able to partner with OEMs to do that training where the cost of sending someone to a school could be reduced greatly, and we get more people trained efficiently?
Matt Bassuk 27:18
That’s exactly what we’re working on, both with OEMs and third party providers. We’re a bit agnostic in that world, and I’m a big advocate of right to repair. So, you know, I think, I think that they, whoever has the training content, we’re interested in working with them to make it remote, make it scalable, right? Make it cheaper for technicians to be able to go through that training. As far as the Joint Commission and in the DMV are concerned, they don’t really differentiate between OEM trained and third party trained. Quality training is quality training. The only difference being some of the OEMs. They’ll hold back their certifications and say, Well, you know, you have to be certified by us. That’s a whole dance that your organization has to do with the OEMs and whoever your main your equipment manufacturers are, but, but as far as making training accessible, remote, scalable, we’re all over it. That’s that is absolutely what we’re trying to do. And work with a bunch of different groups to do that.
Chyrill Sandrini 28:22
Now, what if you have your organization, ISO, any you know, large entity that needed to train a lot of people on a device you have, but you don’t have the the recorded, I don’t know we call the session. Would you create it better? Absolutely. So
Matt Bassuk 28:43
modules is kind of what we call them, and they’re just learning experiences. But yeah, certain procedures will break them out into modules. And if it’s really long one, we’ll do, you know, multiple modules around it. But if we don’t have an experience that an organization is looking for, we do custom development. Likelihood is, if one organization is asking for it needs it, it’s probably something across the board that everybody could benefit from. So we’ll do a special, you know, Dev pricing for those kind of engagements, because we won’t bring it to everybody. But we do custom development all the time. We’re working on a bunch of different procedures, and we just we have a long backlog of requests too, that we’re tackling as fast as we can. That’s
Chyrill Sandrini 29:28
awesome, though. Now, what if you’re an individual person like right now, I wouldn’t learn how to pm, a BD care fusion, 8015 could I contact you and learn that skill on my own and pay for a course, so
Matt Bassuk 29:44
we have an opportunity to do some independent training. And I do think that that’s a business model that we’ll look into a little bit more. We do have the 8015 an output flow test on that one in our current content library. And. So if that’s the one you need, then it’d be super simple to get you out of headset and get you trained on that one.
Chyrill Sandrini 30:06
I don’t think I need to do it. Matt, hypothetically, but, you know, I might try it sometime. I like to, you know, immerse myself, you know. And I like to get the experience behind it. Um, so in the future, what are you looking for, as far as expansion in this industry? Do you feel like it will be copied and, I guess, mass produced, in a way where this is the the New World, absolutely.
Matt Bassuk 30:36
And I think you know, what we’re focused on is we want to build all that so that big backlog of content that people are asking for, we gotta go after that. We really do have to find ways to scale our development and and do it faster and get more of this content out there. Because, again, goes back to utility. If we’ve got a library of all these different experiences that people need for doing procedures, then, then we’re meeting that need in the industry and so. So yes, we’re going to be this next year is going to be a big year for us. We’re going to be building out a ton more independent learning modules, but we’re also going to go after a lot more on the AR, actually doing the procedure live space. So not not just using a headset, but maybe using your smartphone and looking at a device and saying, Okay, this is, I can tell. This is a care fusion, 8015 I’ve got 280 100 pumps on either side, and I want to do battery replacement and and you’ll get an overlay and AR that kind of animates and shows you exactly what you have to do. Take out these screws, take off the battery pack, put on the battery pack, put it, you know, put back the screws, push these buttons. And so we’re going to be building a lot more content like that as well this next year.
Chyrill Sandrini 31:49
Yeah, that’s awesome. So when is the next conference that you’re doing this at, Where can someone come and find you the next few things that are coming up?
Matt Bassuk 31:59
Yeah, so I have been traveling a lot around quite a bit this year. It’s finally starting to slow down a little bit, but I’m really excited to go to Lexington, the HTM mixer in Lexington in a couple weeks, and so I’ll be doing a presentation there, and then we’ll be running demos. And I’m really excited to see everyone that one’s gonna be great,
Chyrill Sandrini 32:20
Yeah. And then next year, I bet your schedule is packed. They’re gonna have to make another mat.
Matt Bassuk 32:24
I know, I know it’s gonna be. It’s gonna be a big year for us, and we’re definitely gonna be out on the road and just taking us to as many people as we possibly can. And if you, if you want to know if I’m gonna be in an event, if you want to see how you can get a demo, just shoot me an email or you know, get in touch with me, because likely you’ll be in your area at some point in the near future. Yeah,
Chyrill Sandrini 32:46
it’d be nice, especially if you know facilities. You know your hospital out there, and especially in Kentucky, Matt’s going to be there, you might as well just sign them up and have them come and give you a demo right there in your in your biomed shop. That’s the opportunity, right? Perfect.
Matt Bassuk 33:03
Yeah, I would do that too. And, yeah, and we do send it, we send out demo headsets all over the country too. So a lot of a lot of, you know, clients that want to try it, and they want to, you know, build some buy in around the technology. So we’re happy to send out demo headsets to accomplish those goals too.
Chyrill Sandrini 33:19
Well. I’m trying to make it to Kentucky. I’m trying to make it to Lexington. As you know, I see you at most of these events. So, you know, pack schedules. If I get there, I’m definitely going to stop by and give this a try. Come. Maybe attend your class and your presentation. I’d love to see it, you know, hands on. But I’ve had such a joy interviewing you today, just because I’m I’m the curious cat, right? And I want to know more, and I want to experience more, and I think there’s a lot of people like me out there, so I’ve had a great time with having you on the show today, Matt, but I want to leave our viewers what they know is the Wow. Words of wisdom from Matt, can you tell us what your WoW is?
Matt Bassuk 34:03
Absolutely so I think in I’m a big I’m a Learning Technologies guy by trade like this, my background, I’m a big on education, big on learning. And so what I would say is never stop learning. And it doesn’t matter if it’s going back to school, or if it’s learning a new skill, or if it’s learning a new tool or an a workflow, never stop learning, because you just you’re always going to be growing. If you stop learning, then you stop growing and and I just think that, you know, there’s a quote by Muhammad Gandhi, and he said, live as if you’ll die tomorrow, but learn as if you’ll live forever. And I think that’s that sums it up for me.
Chyrill Sandrini 34:50
I love that. Yep. And you know, you’re never too old to learn. You’re never too old to try something new. You’re never too old to reinvent yourself. I mean. This is your one chance at life. And if you’re a B met and you’re curious about this, get curious now. Reach out to Matt. I know he’s accessible. Follow him on LinkedIn. You know, check out their social platforms and and stay in touch, because I think over the next year, 2025 is going to be really big for y’all. And one time, when I check this, I stop by and see it down there in San Antonio.
Matt Bassuk 35:24
Come on. We’ll get some barbecue
Chyrill Sandrini 35:25
Oh, love it. Love it. All right. Thank you for joining us again for another episode of HTM Insider, you could find this podcast any place you listen to your podcast, and it’s also hosted on TechNation. So if you’re a CBET and you’re looking for those CE credits every episode is 30 minutes, and you get one CE credit every time you listen. So thanks again for tuning in, Matt. Thanks for being a guest today and go out there be curious and learn something new.
Matt Bassuk 35:56
Thank you so much for having me.
Chyrill Sandrini 35:58
Thank you, Matt. You